RIP Julie

I had the oddest dream this morning.............Julie had died.

Oh Well!

Parnassus--Got Game?

It seems that some singer named Stephen Gately, in a boy band called Boyzone dropped dead yesterday (10/10).....The first obit mentioned Colin Farrell as having tried out for it and getting turned down way back when.

Colin, did anyone tell you that your birthday is the same date I got my Arsinoe Ring.........Returned to me. Probably not, these type of people just try to use you up til you all burn out. Becareful sweety, this, plus playing at being Alexander isn't the best things to hang over your head, especially since your playing a dead man's role to boot.

The Imaginariums of Your Mind

Oh where oh where have my little Tony's gone.....Oh where oh where have they gone.....A London premiere with no stars? OH MY!

At least Health has an Excuse. What was
Your's....What was that Tony II...Oh Dr. Parnassus didn't show up so we thought we didn't have to either.

Shame on the lot of you!

The Ring of Arsinoe II

I finally got the origin of the ring I wear.....Cleopatra wore it as the incarnation of her ancestor Arsinoe II. A fascinating woman who shaped Egypt in her own image. Cities were renamed after her. A Mystery Cult, right up there with the Eulasian Mysteries was created in her name. If you're interested in the subject....look it up cause I'm not going to if you're to lazy to point and click. So I wonder who brother is now?...............Could it be...........Not telling! But if you're reading this. The symbol on the alter between, us is on the top and bottom sides of the ring I wear.

Revelations

My revisionist theories on Cleopatra is now finished. I was wrong on many points, but I choose to leave the posts up as an exploration of the past culmination on the ultimate truth.

I was correct in saying that Cleopatra did not kill Arsinoe. But what we are looking at is the probabilty that eventually she would have. You see Mark Anthony wanted to become Emperor of Rome. Because of the rivalry he felt that having Arsinoe still around, he concocted a campain to convince her sister that she had been plotting against her. This had been going on for quite a while. But since Cleopatra was a cautious person and skepticle of what any Roman would say to her, she kept putting off giving out any execution orders........She kept telling Mark Anthony she would take care of the situation, when in reality, unless she had proof positive, she had no intention of it. BUT should she have HAD to do it, the assasination would have been done in a quiet and discrete way, with poisons.

In the mean time, Mark Anthony had become so desperate over the years, that despite knowing better that he dared go over Cleo's head and had Arsinoe murdered in the messiest way possible, gutted like a pig on the steps of the sacred Temple of Artimis. Because of the war against Octavian, she never denied having been the co conspiritor in her murder. To point a finger at the person responsible would have given a divided front that Octavian could have used to his advantage.

But as it was said of her, , that Cleopatra would spare no energy to get back at one who wronged her, she wait as a Perfect Ptolemy Preditor would have to divest herself of the dunken fool who would be king.............Eventually not only a truth was reveiled to her, but a situation came into view that would finally get rid of him. The truth came on swift wings that in his obsession with her, and dellusions of world domination, that he was behind the plot that caused the assassination of Julius Caesar. Upon being given unreputed evidence of the consiracy, the die was cast. A battle with Octavian was coming up and Cleo had convinced her loving husband that his big, and awfully slow warships could easily win against Octavian's fleet. She played him like a fiddle, in hopes he would crash and burn. Of course she said she would join him with her fleet and the world would be theirs............so history records. When Cleo 'finally decided to show up at Actium....Mark Anthony would not be doing well to say the least.......And upon this, she exited stage left back to Alexandria, thinking she finally got rid of him. But alas he comes dragging back after her. So as history tells that she sent orders to have him told she was dead.....He falls on his sword..and so the story goes......................

Reurning to the subject of Arsinoe..............Cleopatra would have put up with just about anything out of her............Except for betrayal. Should she have thought for one moment the babblings from Mark Anthony had any merit, she would have dealt with her as needed. After all the blood line wills out especially if you are a Ptolomy. But who is Arsinoe now....That I was right about in the begining......And you know who you are.

**The epiphany came on the 8th......I waited until Now for my own reasons to post it.

Ptolemy Tales

Taking an educated guess.....I think the whole lot of the Ptolemies were a multi generation family of witches and sorcerers.

Alexander, The Ptolemies...And All That Jazz

I was wondering today, of all days if it wasn't the Ptolmies who brought about the Greek names to the Egyptian Gods...But I had to go to work and came up with something else to look about when I got home. It concerned Alexander The Great. So this is what I came up with.....

"Alexander's body was placed in a gold anthropoid sarcophagus, which was in turn placed in a second gold casket.[114] According to Aelian, a seer called Aristander foretold that the land where Alexander was laid to rest "would be happy and unvanquishable forever".[115] Perhaps more likely, the successors may have seen possession of the body as a symbol of legitimacy (it was a royal prerogative to bury the previous king).[116] At any rate, Ptolemy stole the funeral cortege, and took it to Memphis.[114][115] His successor, Ptolemy II Philadelphus, transferred the sarcophagus to Alexandria, where it remained until at least Late Antiquity"

I'm thinking that perhaps the Ptolemies not only stole the body and hid it but buried each of their ruling family members in the same tomb. It sound probable to me.

Now if you want a real ...'out there theory'...how about this. I ran across a bit of fiction written a couple of years ago about Alexander. Now take into account Fiction can be a channeled truth, in part. From the synopsis there may have been a personal demon attached to Alexander as a child.
If the Ptolemies stole the body and kept it...could not the personal demon been transferred to them through each generation.

Since my obervances of the curse in action I refer to someone as 'The Dark Prince' which is the name of the book, by David Gemmel. This is the over view.

Book overview
The chaos spirit had chosen the child Alexander to be its human host. But Parmenion, most powerful warrior of ancient Greece, had won a small victory over the darkness that sought to rule through Alexander. The boy's soul had not been destroyed by evil, but instead had merged with it -- and now Parmenion aided Alexander in the battle between light and dark that constantly raged within him.
But there was another world, where the creatures of Greece's legends still flourished. There, the chaos spirit already ruled, through a demon king. In this Greece, there was a prophecy that a child of great power, the legendary golden child, would come and restore the fading magic of the land to the creatures of myth. The demon king believed also that devouring the heart of this fabled child would give him immortality. He believed Alexander, with the power of the chaos spirit within him, to be that child. And so he called Alexander into his world . . .
Only Parmenion, guided by the seeress Derae, his lost love from another life, could hope to save Alexander from the demon king. But who could save the young prince from the chaos spirit that threatened to conquer his soul?

Everything has an energy and everything has a reality....No matter what the lie or fable may be......What if this is the basis of Cleo's Curse? I will tell you this. When Hawass digs for Cleo he may find the whole nest of Ptolemies and Alexander too.

I mused what if Whatz-Her-Face had been Marc Anthony in a past life...BUT what if she who had been a Queen who 'lost her head' once a long time ago. Bernice was her name and wasting funds was her game...Til Daddy got home that is.

Sobek Has A Snack

It seems a Dalmatian got attacked in a Hanna Park in Jacksonville, FL1` over the weekend Why am I covering it? Because it seems that on occasion I would dream of walking among Alligators/Crocodiles unharmed. This as I would discover was a protective omen accorded to Pharaohs. But what is also fascinating is that there were two centers for the worship of Crocodiles, that was Kom Ombo which the picture is from it's temple and Crocodiliopolis. Which was renamed....By a Ptolemy....Arsinoe. I didn't include a picture of that center because ll that is left is an obelisque.

Kom Ombo was built, as it seems a good deal of Egypt, by the Ptolemies. And what they didn't build they restored. They reigned for over 300 years, but when you think of it, it was an amazing feat that they got so much done in that amount of time.

Bringing Cleopatra Back To Life---Her Palace That Is

Some of the world's most exciting sunken treasures could soon be on view after Egypt confirmed plans to build a giant underwater museum in the Mediterranean.

But as preparation begins on the site of Cleopatra's Palace in Alexandria, funding and technical problems are proving as divisive and controversial as the famed queen herself.

Ancient Alexandria was one of the world's great centres of civilisation, and since excavations in the eastern harbour began in 1994, divers have unearthed thousands of historical objects. These have included 26 sphinxes, several vast granite blocks weighing up to 56 tonnes each, and even pieces of what is believed to be the Pharos of Alexandria lighthouse, one of the seven classic wonders of the world.

Remnants of Queen Cleopatra's palace complex are also submerged beneath the waves, after the island on which it stood fell victim to earthquakes in the 5th century.

Now ambitious but controversial plans are under way to open up this unique site via an immersed fibreglass tunnel which would enable close-up viewing of the underwater monuments. The designs were drawn up by the French architect Jacques Rougerie, a veteran of water-based construction projects, and have been backed by the United Nations cultural agency Unesco.

Next month a detailed technical survey will be launched. "If all goes according to plan, construction will begin in early 2010 and be completed within two and half years," says Ariel Fuchs, a scientific director at Rougerie's firm.

The idea is also being promoted by the high-profile marine archaeologist Franck Goddio, who is currently touring Europe with a selection of artefacts already dredged up from the Alexandrian coastline.

Yet the project is running into obstacles. Funding for the museum, which will cost up to $140m (£98m), has not yet been secured.

The government is hoping private companies and organisations will foot the bill, but a member of the architectural team admitted that "nobody is clear about where the financing will come from".

Even if money does come through, a series of formidable technical challenges await the museum's builders, including the question of how to combat the bay's notoriously murky waters to improve visibility in the tunnel, and the problem of ensuring the structure is strong enough to withstand underwater currents.

More worryingly, the project has been accused by sceptical locals of being little more than a ''corporate theme park'' with many doubting it will be built at all.

"As an idea it's perfect," says Dr Ashraf Sabri, who runs a local dive centre specialising in marine heritage sites. "But you have to get down there and do the scientific work to see what is practical and what isn't. And month-in, month-out, this has not been done."

For Egypt, the stakes are high. Alexandria, the country's second city, has been long overshadowed by Cairo and Luxor, and the government wants it to become a new focal point for the 12 million foreign tourists that visit each year.

"For too long Alexandria's great history and multicultural background hasn't been sufficiently respected," says Naguib Amin, local site manager for the Supreme Council for Antiquities.

Amin rejected claims that money would be better spent giving a makeover to the city's crumbling downtown buildings, most of which feature stunning colonial-era architecture. "We view the museum as an integral component of revitalising the city as a whole," he said.

A Ring In Time Kills Nine

Okay, I've been testing the waters, so to speak, on who all might be the reincarnations of the Principle Players in this little theatre of the absurd.

Without naming names...........

I will start with Arsinoe. So it seems I am correct in the assumption that her older sister, Cleo, put the fix in with the crowd and seeded some in the audience, from her camp, to get the normally blood thirsty Romans to jeer down the strangulation death of Arsinoe......In fact I can see that it was her who got her sent to Ephesus, to the safety of the Temple of Artemis...After all, at that point, she had Old Julius wrapped around her pretty little finger and could get what ever she wanted. Now knowing her sister did not hate her, just what would her soul have been like after she had been murdered, hearing that Cleopatra ordered her assassination as she bled to death on the temple steps. I would say over millenniums that a hidden anger and hatred would grow in the subconscious. It would twist each lifetime. This person would seek fame, yet could never accept it, and would go so far as to think everyone hated them.....A creative person, with a soul of a warrior.....Would this person be a man or woman now?

Mark Anthony..........Cleopatra once loved him. Yet when she found out he was the one who had Arsinoe killed, even after repeated denials over the years, when she found out...had proof...When Actium occurred, she walked out on him and left him to lose to Octavian. When he caught up with her, he was told she was dead. He fell on his sword....With his dying breath, Cleo made him admit to killing her sister. If Marcus Antonius was here,. NOW. What would he be like? He was a womanizer and murderer and lier in the old days...Would he be condemned to be reincarnated as a woman over and over. Maybe even to be born illegitimate .....As the Sands are shifted in Alexandria looking for his mummy, the cobwebs may be cleared from his mind to make up for his bad deeds. Would his love ever forgive him?

These two would be quite the twisted Victor/Victoria

Cleopatra-The Last Pharaoh.....Will have the final word. Dogged through the years by Octavian, lost everything because of his obsession with her. In the end determined that he would not have her, she made the ultimate sacrifice to put forth a terrible curse on Rome it's self. Be warned... When the light come to the darkness of the past.....a resurrection of the one will occur when the death of another goes forth.

A Tale of Two Sisters

On Egyptian Forum today, that is far to dogmatic on a certain point in history.....That point may only be of interest to the principle players, especially if they are incarnated now. The question now is where is Cleo buried in Taposiris. Arsinoe was buried in a far away land in an octagon tomb. Cleo, come out come out where ever you are!

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It seems that you chosen to believe the tabloid-esque documentary on the subject, concerning who killed Arsinoe. I guess it easier to believe, whole heartedly, in accounts by historians who wrote about things they did not witness , living centuries after the fact, as a source of all truths. Instead of taking a step back and look at things in a different way. A more logical way.

Concerning my thread on the Cleopatra Curse...I will not go into it again. After all it gets tedious hearing the bodies go THUD. In it I contested that Octavian was responsible for everyone's death from Julius Caesar ending in Cleopatra death. But I overlooked Arsinoe.

She was allowed to live years in the Temple by Cleo. Why at this point in time would she have her assassinated? Octavian would have had reason to at that point in time, just on the basic fact that his bother in law was embarrassing him and Rome for taking up with his enemy. Arsinoe's death would have been a calculated attempt to discredit both of them and in his wild hopes have the Egyptian people turn against Cleo for the violation of the temple with her own sister's blood. .

It's very possible too that Cleopatra, after the anger wore off on what Arninoe did as a child, decided to protect her. Maybe, eventually, in hopes to bringing her back home when she matured in character. Why do I state this? Because She was petitioned to save the High Priest’s life after the murder. He was responsible for her safety there and he failed. But he also knew the situation and knew she wouldn’t have had her killed.

You see Cleo had no family left. Both of her brothers were dead. Arsinoe was all that was left. Sure she had her kids and Mark Anthony, but they were Rome. Arsinoe was Egypt.

Something else odd about the documentary. It showed Arsinoe being drug out of the Temple and murdered on the steps. Would she not have made a bit of noise if they did it that way. The little warrior Princess who held off Julius Caesar for a short time would not have gone quietly…..Unless….They identified themselves as being from her sister and went outside the Temple to talk to them, so no one would hear. This means she was not at enmity with her as one believed. If Arsinoe would leave the protection of the Temple then she would be in danger of being used as a pawn by Octavian or just done in. She was a week point. The sad thing is that when she went out, the assassins, could very well have said to her that they had a ‘special’ message from Cleopatra, and that was the last thing she heard when she died.

Concerning The burial place of Arsinoe…. We are assuming that it was the Priests of the Temple, that she stayed in, that was responsible for her burial. Perhaps not. What if it was her sister who did it.

So do you wish to discuss this or believe the babbling of old fools who pass themselves off as historians of histories that has as much credence as the National Enquirer.

Oh by the way several people more have died with reference to Cleo and it seems to start at the debut of this documentary....But there is no such things as curses...Right?

It's funny you have a forum on a people who lived in a world of magic and wonder, yet you created something as dead as the mummies that lie beneath the sand. Totally disrespecting what Egypt was all about. This is the impression I get from the ones responding, you don't acknowledge that there are things beyond the physical and time it's self.

As a test of the spirits, I asked to have a sign if my current train of thought on the situation back then, was correct. It seemed someone or something was listening because I got an answer. Would you like to know how it manifested? On the variance of my birthday I asked this. I won't go into what this means. I don't think you are interested. Anyway I put a post about this on my blog. Then asked for a sign. Since it's celebs that seem to be the victim on this. I had a celeb die and come back to life, so to speak, on this date, which was her birthday too. On IMDB.com Kathy Bates has been reported as dead. Go to her message board if you don't believe me. They took off the death date on the main page, but it's still listed on the 'died 2009 list, so far. But the fans are talking about it on the board. Anyway it seems she is not. Dead. And as a twist, Kathy worked with someone I know that is involved in this......So I got my sign......And not a body dropped.. But then what is Unconditional Love?

Cleopatra & Arsinoe

There is a British documentary seems to be very one sided on the event's surrounding the death of Arsinoe, Cleopatra's kid sister. It's on You Tube at this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DWaYOJCxtI&feature=related Please view all six parts of it before reading further.

You can also view it via the video bar on the right, that will take you there.

I propose a very different scenario. Yes the events of long ago was the Portrait of a Killer, but not that of Cleopatra.

Let's start the story with the adoption of the heir to Rome. Octavian. Soon after he was made Julius Caesar's son. He's dead. Assassinated.

With the help of his brother in law Mark Antony they cased down his killer. A voice silenced that could possibly link him to an assassination plot .

Then due to Mark Anthony's lifestyle he took up with Octavians' enemy....Cleopatra, He would not have this. Not only was he betraying his marriage to his sister, but was sleeping with the enemy, literally. What was he to do? How could he discredit the two. Maybe even turn the Egyptian people against their Queen. This was simple have Arsinoe executed and the blame laid on those two. This crime would have been unheard of . First violating the law of Sanctuary. AND spilling he blood on the temple steps.

This documentary, doesn't take into account that Cleopatra allowed her to live all those years there. And in fact she had been petitioned to save the life of the Priest who took Arsinoe in, right after the murder. If the story told here was true, why save him.

You can be sure, the last words Arsinoe heard was......"We have a message from your sister...." when they ran her through.

Also I might add, despite her Rebellion again her sister and Rome, that Cleopatra secretly was proud of her spirit and courage. The only reason Cleo took up with the Romans in the first place was to keep them from destroying her beloved Egypt. The youthful rebel would not have realized just how bad a defeat they would have had if they tried to go against the Roman might.

But I want to add that this trail of blood behind the mechanization's of Octavian didn't end with Arsineo's death. His hatred of Mark Anthony and Cleopatra only grew when this plot didn't work. Eventually leading him to have Mark Anthony assassinated and brought to his loves arms. Yes I say that he had his brother in law killed. It wasn't suicide.

Cleopatra was not a suicide either. I believe he had her food poisoned. And she and her hand maidens died a painful death on his way to being the first Emperor of Rome.

As a master of propaganda, it was his version of events that went down through history. Events that were written about centuries after the fact. So, my dear friends who put this documentary together, before laying the trail of blood on Cleopatra....THINK before you speak. There are things unknown that must be taken into account........Remember this..."In The End....It's All About Family"